Ron Paul and John McCain supporters

[Orat]

I just saw two reports on CNN's ticker about McCain -- one of them about how a former McCain aid is calling for the GOP to embrace same-sex marriage, and another about McCain's daughter pushing the same issue. Add to this McCain's 1999 statement that he opposes overturning Roe v. Wade.

Well, excuse me. But I seem to recall we Ron Paul supporters were vilified because false rumors were spread that we all support gay marriage. Ron Paul does not support gay marriage, and in fact, has voted for every bill opposing it that he has constitutional jurisdiction over (such as bills concerning the District of Columbia, and bills such as the Defense of Marriage Act). He does oppose a Constitutional amendment since he does not believe it is the proper role of the federal government or its Constitution to address that kind of issue, but surely given his consistent principled stand on this issue, the question not of "whether" but rather of "how best to accomplish this end" is one about which we can agree to disagree?

So what am I getting at? Well, we Ron Paulers were told to shut up and get behind McCain, and indeed all Oklahoma delegates last year were told to come to the convention to stop the Ron Paulers who were going to advance a socially liberal delegate slate and not support John McCain.... the same McCain who just happens to have turned out to be a candidate who apparently surrounded himself with social liberals! Gee whiz!

So supporting the pro-life, pro-family Ron Paul was "bad" while supporting the abortion-ambiguous, gay-marriage-ambiguous John McCain was "good".

I know, I know, that was sooo last year, right? Except that I'm still reading articles in the Tulsa World, Daily Oklahoman, and from some Republican Party pundit blogs that still talk as though supporting Ron Paul was a cardinal sin for which the penalty is indefinite exile from the GOP, while they themselves cast their ballots for John McCain.

I don't know about them, but as for me, my conscience is clear. Can we please participate in the Party now without being sneered at? Heck, the Log Cabin Republicans are more welcome in the Party than we are. What does that say about the state of the Party? I see the likes of Michael Steele and these McCain staffers falling all over themselves to reach out to the Left in an attempt to grow their base, but the Right is apparently not welcome. I think it is because they take our votes for granted since we sure as heck aren't going to vote Democrat. But they'd be foolish to do that, as I and many like me abstained from the Presidential race last November. Eventually they'll have to learn the hard lesson not to take the Right for granted.

[johnboy1300]

Orat,my brother.I don't know who you are dude,but I'll give you your props.The last cycle was basically"Hold your nose and vote!" I didn't support Paul,I supported Thompson{Fred}I didn't agree with everything Ron Paul said,but I did agree with about 80% of it.So yeah,I'll welcome you guy's to the fold.A conservative who actually reads bills is hard to find.
Peace

[MuskogeeRepublican]

So what am I getting at? Well, we Ron Paulers were told to shut up and get behind McCain, and indeed all Oklahoma delegates last year were told to come to the convention to stop the Ron Paulers who were going to advance a socially liberal delegate slate and not support John McCain.... the same McCain who just happens to have turned out to be a candidate who apparently surrounded himself with social liberals! Gee whiz!

Just a few thoughts.

Other than Howard Barnett, can you give me another example of socially liberal on the slate? The LVC had several on their slate that were on the other slate.

Also, if memory serves me right, Ron Paul's campaign chairman was a homosexual. That's pretty socially conservative and pro-family, is it not?

[Jason Carini]

Whoa...what's this about RP's campaign manager? You referring to the national or state campaign manager?

[MuskogeeRepublican]

His late national campaign chairman, Kent Snyder.

[johnboy1300]

Do your parent's know your on the computer Muskogee? Me think's he is in an argument he can't win.

[Rhythm Guy]

His late national campaign chairman, Kent Snyder.

Well, let's see here...

McCain and Cheney both have lesbian daughters, (anyone who doesn't think McCain's daughter is, I have a nice bridge to sell you in Montana). Both these women campaigned for their dad. I know a man who is extremely conservative, who ran for office here in the state in the mid-90s, who's step-daughter was/is a lesbian.

I served on the platform committee with two guys who were so sissy, they had to sit down to tinkle. Granted, most people tried to ignore their efforts to increase government's proper role into making children stop calling people names who were "different", and to include business subsidies; but they were still on the committee.

So do we use sexual orientation as a litmus test and exclude anyone from helping us in our campaigns who doesn't match up? Or do we use the most capable people we can find, and simply be up front with them that we're not changing our views for them?

[johnboy1300]

Good one dude.

[Orat]

Other than Howard Barnett, can you give me another example of socially liberal on the slate? The LVC had several on their slate that were on the other slate.

Well, I actually didn't say in my post that the Exec. Comm. slate was composed of social liberals, but since you mentioned it, there were both social liberals as well as fiscal liberals. You named the most prominent, Barnett, and I don't have the names in front of me now, but there were ones who supported Giulliani - an extreme social liberal for a Republican, and others who had been closely affiliated with "inter-faith" type groups that actively fight against pro-family organizations under the guise of "tolerance". Sorry, I don't have their names in front of me.

The LVC slate was carefully picked to consist entirely of pro-life conservatives. Most of the more conservative members of the Exec. Comm. slate were kept, and those that were added were all 100%, verified pro-life conservatives - several of them missionaries and people in ministry.

Also, if memory serves me right, Ron Paul's campaign chairman was a homosexual. That's pretty socially conservative and pro-family, is it not?

If Kent Snyder, who I met and worked with, was a homosexual, I certainly had no idea, nor did any of the people I worked with. This is the first I've heard that. I did some googling now that you've mentioned it and didn't immediately find anything solid. That may just be a rumor.